Zun should always hire someone else to do the portrait art for him

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    Zun should always hire someone else to do the portrait art for him

    Post  FlyingFantastica on Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:04 am

    Or is that mean?
    He did get slightly better in UFO and SA but hiring alphes or Makoto whatshisface wouldn't hurt amirite?
    We need more fighting games with the other Touhou character's dammit.
    inb4 MUGEN
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    Post  Dio on Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:17 am

    Lol MUGEN.
    Last I heard they had Mokou and Kanako for that, but they'ld obviously still get their ass kicked by Poring the best Mugen character to ever have been created.

    Personally while I do think that the portraits which aren't actually drawn by ZUN are better I once looked at a fake-screenshot of TH6 with replacement portraits and it just didn't seem to have as much personality. Though oddly enough the fighting games wouldn't work with ZUN's portraits, I think that Touhou 12.8 has actually done a damn good job in that it doesn't have ZUN's art but it's not lost the feel of the game's narrative which is cool in my oppinion.

    Apparently Wriggle, Mokou and Kaguya were in-line to be in 12.3 but they didn't have time to balance out and complete the characters. Hence why you always see a picture of one of those three whenever a troll picks up theres been a 12.3 patch.
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    Post  FlyingFantastica on Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:52 am

    Dio wrote:Lol MUGEN.
    Last I heard they had Mokou and Kanako for that, but they'ld obviously still get their ass kicked by Poring the best Mugen character to ever have been created.

    Personally while I do think that the portraits which aren't actually drawn by ZUN are better I once looked at a fake-screenshot of TH6 with replacement portraits and it just didn't seem to have as much personality. Though oddly enough the fighting games wouldn't work with ZUN's portraits, I think that Touhou 12.8 has actually done a damn good job in that it doesn't have ZUN's art but it's not lost the feel of the game's narrative which is cool in my oppinion.

    Apparently Wriggle, Mokou and Kaguya were in-line to be in 12.3 but they didn't have time to balance out and complete the characters. Hence why you always see a picture of one of those three whenever a troll picks up theres been a 12.3 patch.
    Really? I don't like Mokou but Kaguya and Wriggle? DAMN YOU ZUN
    Oh well guess I'll have to MUGEN to play as Kaguya
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    Well ZUN' s art may have that special feeling of personality and since it's done by him it's mega lulzy
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    Makoto's stuff is pretty damn awesome (specially with bushy brows <3) and seems to have as much as personality.
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    So... we agree that ZUN should stick to Story-Dialogue-Music etc... but someone like Makoto should stick to the arts?
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    Re: Zun should always hire someone else to do the portrait art for him

    Post  KingK on Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:57 am

    Actually, with those two examples, I actually prefers ZUN's version, even though Makoto is obviously the technically best illustrator.


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    Re: Zun should always hire someone else to do the portrait art for him

    Post  Dio on Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:07 am

    Well what are we going to do anyway?
    Send an email to ZUN and tell him to work with an artist from now on?
    Personally I don't really think we've a right to say since how many of us actually get ourselves legit copies of the games. Oh, and personally I don't trust the 'import companies' when it comes to anything software related. I mean if I can get a rip of a CD and it's artwork then so can they.
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    Post  FlyingFantastica on Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:19 am

    Dio wrote:Well what are we going to do anyway?
    Send an email to ZUN and tell him to work with an artist from now on?
    Personally I don't really think we've a right to say since how many of us actually get ourselves legit copies of the games. Oh, and personally I don't trust the 'import companies' when it comes to anything software related. I mean if I can get a rip of a CD and it's artwork then so can they.
    True that.
    Well atleast ZUN is improving his style.
    Who knows maybe when Touhou 16.7 he'll have Makoto like art skills.
    /prays to Sanae
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    Post  Dio on Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:26 am

    Our church structure is going to become rather warped if we start worshipping the Moriya gods aswell... Though I notice you've renamed yourself to Cursed, you might want to make a post somewhere (Like Introcuductions) to tell people you've switched.

    Personally I have to say I wouldn't mind if he didn't improve, I mean theres a definate 'ZUN style' which people have started to notice and theres even ZUN styled fanart which I find to be a mix of halarious and pure awesome when it comes to making a homage.
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    Post  inawarminister on Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:09 pm

    Dio wrote:Our church structure is going to become rather warped if we start worshipping the Moriya gods aswell... Though I notice you've renamed yourself to Cursed, you might want to make a post somewhere (Like Introcuductions) to tell people you've switched.

    Personally I have to say I wouldn't mind if he didn't improve, I mean theres a definate 'ZUN style' which people have started to notice and theres even ZUN styled fanart which I find to be a mix of halarious and pure awesome when it comes to making a homage.

    Ah, I agree too.
    If ZUN does not have such crap-tacular drawing skill, we won't have 1/10 of Touhou current fan-art nor doujin.

    It's precisely because of ZUN's weakness in character art that makes Touhou fans draw moar. (Which I dubbed 'ZUN's Law') Contrast with Dwarf Fortress, in which the UI / UX (User Experience) is spectacularly fail. Many of the fans make sprites/char. set, etc, to somewhat alleviate this problem (analogous to fan-art). While some make wholly new stand-alone (!) programs to improve the UX very much (e.g. Dwarfmanager, Stonesense) (analagous to Doujin -- Doujin games)

    Now look at their strong points : Touhou with its setting and characters (AND MUSIC), while DF has the ideas and dreams . And those inspire inspired related works (e.g. Doujin, Remixes, fan-games, fan-comics, fan-stories)

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    Post  Dio on Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:56 pm



    Well crap, that was a insightful post.
    I'm actually jealous for some reason.
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    Post  inawarminister on Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:02 am

    ... Except that it'll make no difference at all unless I can get my two favourite indie game-devs to read it.

    NO.FUCKING.WAY.AT.ALL

    (Oh, also, I must have analysis and rant as my class skill, Dio-san :)
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    Re: Zun should always hire someone else to do the portrait art for him

    Post  Dio on Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:16 am



    Don't make me explain my jokes...
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    Re: Zun should always hire someone else to do the portrait art for him

    Post  FlyingFantastica on Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:43 pm

    Dio wrote:

    Don't make me explain my jokes...

    ...

    + 5 guts?
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    Post  Dio on Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:05 pm

    Taking the thread in another direction,
    does anyone else want things like the way Meiling's danmaku in Touhou 9.5 is based on her flying across the screen to kick you in the face (This is a shmup game not one of the fighters btw) should show up again?

    Also Suika's Interface screw at the end of Touhou 7.5 where she actually start destroying bits of the game hud.

    Personally I was thinking it'ld be badass if we saw a character or even a midboss who just pulled a complete freakout on the user by flying across the screen to kick them as their first card and then after that jumped into the scoreboard area of the screen and started kicking bits of it at the player. What'ld be even more badass is if they broke the positioning of the box you play in and forced you to 'keep in the box' while it fell around the HUD area. Extra points if they were the 6th stage midboss and the screen went to a hud-minimalistic full screen display for the final boss' spellcards.

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